Wipe out those breakup rips because we’re going to demonstrate that really love isn’t a lie! This week we now have Autostraddle publisher and all of around icon
Heather Hogan
speaing frankly about her 11 year(!!) relationship together wife as well as circumstances long term connections.

But 1st! We enjoy being reunited — after an eventful summer time! — and perform a-game of guess the program through the fanfic.

SHOW NOTES

+ if you should be an A+ user, look for
this substantial crossover fanfic
that Autostraddle TV Team together composed,  such as the Buffy/Faith/Nia Nal threesome we concocted.

+ one of the primary pieces I wrote for Autostraddle was
this article about season among

Fleabag.

+ Another reason becoming an A+ member: this
special glance at Heather and Stacy’s wedding ceremony!

+ I like interaction but
as Vanessa outlined here
there’s any such thing as excess handling.

+ If you want a further check out my personal mindset that simply because a connection concludes does not mean it wasn’t significant,
take a look at the best essay
I previously created.

Heather:

We stayed from the entire night, and that’s merely very regarding figure for people. And I think it had been merely, this really is indicative of our own union, I think, where it absolutely was the same as, this is certainly awesome. Let us simply do the following point. This is so that fun. Why don’t we just do the next matter. And that I believe’s just already been precisely how our very own connection’s been for like 11 decades. Every step recently already been like, “This component’s great. What’s the the next thing we’re able to carry out?” very, yeah.

Theme tune plays

Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina:

And That I’m Christina.

Drew:

And welcome to,

Wait, So Is This a romantic date?

Christina:


Hold off, So Is This a romantic date?

is an Autostraddle podcast centered on the burning concern: delay, is this a date? In which Drew and that I find all kinds of things about online dating. Something internet dating, understandingn’t matchmaking. And extremely merely have a grand adventure, I would state.

Drew:

I would personally in addition declare that it has been a huge adventure to date and can carry on being. I am Drew Gregory. I’m an author for Autostraddle and a filmmaker and a trans lesbian. And that I want to have something totally new to add to the blend. I never ever can imagine everything brand new. I think those tend to be my identities.

Christina:

Sometimes identity does not transform, despite exactly what TikTok will say to you.

Drew:

I’m Jewish.

Christina:

Yeah. I mean like—

Drew:

Sort of. After all, yeah. No, I am not religious, but that’s also section of my personal identity. You’ll inform from my tresses.

Christina:

That hasn’t changed though, I suppose.

Drew:

That I Am Jewish?

Christina:

Yeah. You’ve been Jewish.

Drew:

No, I Am Jewish. Yeah, that didn’t take place amongst the two periods. Well, that happen to be you, Christina?

Christina:

I Am Christina. I am also a writer at Autostraddle. A loud homosexual on the internet. I’m truly looking forward to the introduction of Princess Diana season, AKA cycle short pants and sweatshirts. That is where I’m attempting to end up being. I am in Philadelphia, making it 96 degrees nowadays. Therefore we’re slowly obtaining there. It’s simply like Needs it at this time. It’s my personal perfect time. I wish to end up being a primary figure inside the autumn, and it’s perhaps not happening but.

Drew:

Yeah. Well, what is actually interesting that you’re exposing at the moment is actually, very for our audience, it has been weekly since our finally occurrence, which is exactly what it usually is. However for us, we actually recorded the initial six attacks even as we were discovering our sound and building this brand new podcast. We recorded that in advance, however we’re pretty recent. So this is like we’ve had an entire summer. Therefore we haven’t recorded in several months and then we’ve been up to all sorts of things

Christina:

Uncharted territory. The past time we taped, we hadn’t fulfilled. We have now met in-person.

Drew:

That’s true! Yes!

Christina:

Drew was at my ding, dang residence, just hanging out.

Drew:

Yes!

Christina:

I would personally simply awaken and get like, “Well, look, that is Drew over indeed there.”

Drew:

Therefore good.

Christina:

It actually was actually delightful.

Drew:

You may have these types of an attractive residence.

Christina:

Thanks a lot. It really is a homosexual chaos home and we love it extremely dearly. Yeah. So we’re simply on another quest and it is really exciting to-be taking place this venture with your listeners. Do we have other things we should pontificate about before we obtain into our small online game?

Drew:

After all, I’m not sure. I Experienced a large summer, but I guess circumstances will come upwards since the episodes arrive, but…

Christina:

Yeah, Really don’t want you to load all of it right in front.

Drew:

You don’t want us to ruin any such thing?

Christina:

Yeah. Load everything right in front? My personal God, just what an awful sentence.

Drew:

It seemed slightly sexual, additionally I Truly had a lot more of a considered similar—

Christina:

It did!

Drew:

I imagined a lot more though that you were leaving Home Depot and had been like entering the car, that I learn you do not have, but that was also in which my head is, which also might be intimate.

Christina:

I additionally simply love your thing that’s maintaining me from probably Home Depot is actually a vehicle and never the individual that i’m. Like each time i have been at a property Depot, someone has become like, “Ma’am could you be lost? Will you be safe here?” And that I’m similar, “No, honestly. Really wood about. I am not secure.” So I have a game title for Drew because we like to play video games.

Drew:

I am paying attention.

Christina:

And I also decided, both in honor of my self and our visitor, that this would definitely be a little intro inside arena of fanfic for Drew. What exactly We have completed is actually i have used five programs from Drew’s preferred Characters in Television record, and I am browsing study you some tags from AO3’s fanfiction and you are clearly planning need guess which of the shows these labels tend to be talking about. I will start common, they’ll have more specific to your tv series even as we go along.

Drew:

Okay. I just possess some concerns—

Christina:

Of course you do.

Drew:

Because I am not sure many about the fanfic world. Very every tv show has actually words which happen to be of that show?

Christina:

Yes.

Drew:

That variety in specificity, i’d picture?

Christina:

Yes. Yes, they do.

Drew:

And so if you planned to find a show that had like, I am not sure, medieval occasions you could hit the medieval tag.


Christina:

We’ll say that I didn’t get a hold of any medieval instances tags in almost any of these shows. Like to see it.

Drew:

Well, that’s not my flavor, but I happened to be just organizing one thing out.

Christina:

Yes.

Drew:

Because I guess during my brain, I was like, oh, well, if you find yourself reading fanfic, you’re looking for suggests that have actually figures you would like. But that is not necessarily the truth. Occasionally you’re checking for a subject and after that you can find out shows from fanfic?

Christina:

You might. That could be an unusual method to address fanfic because most folks treat it knowing the ship they will have in mind. And they claim, i wish to read maybe an alternate market type of this fanfic. Probably I would like some hurt convenience. Maybe i’d like a slow burn. Maybe i recently desire some upright smut. There are plenty of areas whereby individuals get. Following there is also only added tags, helping you discover the kind of flavor and ambiance of this tale. And we alsowill get flavor and feeling. Because certainly vessels will give it away and an alternative world just isn’t particularly beneficial per the show, so wewill be certain into program.

Drew:

Okay, cool. Let us hop engrossed.

Christina:

Fine.

Drew:

Why don’t we find out with each other. Yeah.

Christina:

All right. Very first one. We will start with imaginary politics, compliments kink, abandonment dilemmas, very slow burn.

Drew:

Compliments kink, political… imaginary politics?

Christina:

Imaginary politics, yes.

Drew:

Does that mean like politics being grounded inside the real life, but they are imaginary or completely imaginary politics?

Christina:

I haven’t read the fic at issue, but i am assuming it means entirely fictional politics.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

We are able to keep going.

Drew:

Yeah, continue.

Christina:

Last abuse, hurt comfort, i want comfortable items to stay and would you. Entertaining label. Just was required to read that certain.

Drew:

Okay, hold off. Perhaps i will simply take one minute and consider what the best shows are. Okay. Because i am trying to think of the implies that have politics included. Oh wait, will it be

The L Term?

Christina:

This option just isn’t

The L Keyword.

No.

Drew:

Because that comes with artificial politics.

Christina:

It can.

Drew:

Because Bette runs for gran. I’m not sure should you decide keep in mind that.

Christina:

Oh, i really do.

Drew:

Okay, let us see. How Many Other…

Vida

has actually politics.

Christina:


Vida

provides politics.

Drew:

Would it be

Vida?

Christina:

Unfortuitously,

Vida

needs any fanfics.


Drew:

Oh, exactly what?

Christina:

I am aware. So individuals, arrive at it.

Drew:

Folks, access that. I would personally read that fanfic.

Christina:

Men and women, get to it.

Drew:

Okay. Why don’t we see. The Other…

Christina:

I am able to carry on.

Drew:

Keep working. Yeah.

Christina:

Cat and mouse. Possessive behavior.

Drew:

Oh, oh,

Killing Eve.

Christina:

There you are going.

Drew:

Cat and mouse had gotten me personally. Oh, praise kink. Yeah. Okay, its all clicking. It is all pressing.

Christina:

All of it presses. All of it clicks. It actually was also a challenge because I got locate people which were particular sufficient to the tv series, but like, it may amaze you to understand there are plenty of compliments kink circumstances out there.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

Just like a lot. Just like a bunch.

Drew:

I think that. I like our very own society.

Christina:

I know. One of these is not in your listing of preferred television shows and/or favorite TV figures because some of your chosen television shows didn’t have fics, that has been sad.

Drew:

Great.

Christina:

But this can be a tv series we’ve got discussed quite a bit and I believe you’ll receive it.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

Sooner or later. This will be gonna be very easy obtainable, I feel.

Drew:

Oh, God. Force.

Christina:

Male relationship. Emotionally repressed.

Drew:


Looking?

Christina:

No.

Drew:


Ted Lasso?

Christina:

Yep. Yep.

Drew:

Like, just what demonstrates do I watch with guys? Okay, why don’t we decide to try the gay one. Nope. Let’s try the right one.

Christina:

Yeah, the other one was going to be “team bonding” and I was actually like, that’s an easy one. Absolutely a straightforward one. Okay. Why don’t we see. Canon personality demise, LGBTQ personality of tone. There is a tongue twister for your family. Families of option. Mom girl relationship.

Drew:


Awareness 8?

Christina:

No. in the region, I would state. I would state where zone.

Drew:


Pose?

Christina:

Yeah. The following any would definitely be canon intercourse work, very — fine, we have two more.

Drew:

Okay. I adore it.

Christina:

Jealousy. I’m afraid of the after that episode because I do not trust the authors. A literal tag on this fic. Famous.

Drew:

Okay. After all, I really don’t consider

Glee

is found on my record, but that is what I would initial imagine.

Christina:

It’s not

Glee.

I do not believe

Glee

was actually on any listings.

Drew:

It isn’t.

Christina:

But amusing point. Ex-lovers to friends back once again to enthusiasts trope, family feels, friendship. A long awaited reunion.

Drew:

Ex-lovers to friends straight back. Is this

The L phrase?

Christina:

Really

The L phrase.

Drew:

Okay. I found myself like, ex-lovers to pals back into ex… Yeah, the ex-lovers.

Christina:

The unfortunate most important factor of

The L word

fanfic may be the incredible amount of Bette Tina fanfic is like, y’all demand to…

Drew:

You are aware, i do believe we would have a justification to get involved with this later. Which is some tease in regards to our main topic.

Christina:

Okay. Angst.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

Bittersweet closing.

Drew:


Freaks and Geeks?

Christina:

Close — no, not near. I do not should rest to you personally.

Drew:

I don’t know exactly why. I just took a jab at angst and bittersweet closing. Which is merely type of my thing.

Christina:

Yeah. That’s true. That is best shown. Romance (very unfortunate). Which is in parentheses, the actual sad.

Drew:

And it’s not

The Leftovers.

Christina:

It is not

The Leftovers.

I am not going to provide this-

Drew:

Okay. I’m going to be capable of geting this. So angst.

Christina:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Drew:

Bittersweet closing.

Christina:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Romance parenthesis sad.

Drew:

Romance, very unfortunate.

Christina:

Unresolved intimate stress.

Drew:

That is all. This is just me personally. This is exactly like every little thing. This can you need to be something.

Christina:

Yeah, this is fanfic, girl.

Drew:

Ooh. I am talking about, wow. Just what a welcome.

Christina:

Pining is yet another one.

Drew:

Just how is this in identical family members? Okay, wait, let me think about demonstrates that i really like which can be homosexual and then have an angst. Pining.

Christina:

I shall say this tv show just isn’t homosexual.

Drew:

Oh.

Christina:

But it is a reveal that I know you love.

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

Would you like one whichwill have out?

Drew:

I Really Do consider we must can get on together with the podcast—

Christina:

I do.

Drew:

However, if it absolutely was simply you and I like hanging out as buddies, I would wind up as, no, no, no, give me personally an one half hour. But fine, offer me personally usually the one.

Christina:

Blasphemy, spiritual upheaval.

Drew:


Fleabag.

Christina:

Indeed there its.

Drew:

Indeed there its.

Fleabag

is actually a demonstrate that now that a number of the insane culture around it offers eliminated out and it’s not like all these irritating some people’s characters, i am like, incredible tv show.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Simply an excellent program.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Exactly what a good, fantastic television plan. That was a lot of enjoyment. Thank you.

Christina:

Anytime.

Drew:

And I also’d choose just generate a public-service… No, that isn’t what it is. Just like a request to people that i would like some

Vida

fanfic. I am going to read it. I’m not sure which I want it to be between. Maybe it could be, what is actually it known as if it is like two… We performed this. We did this for the television team. We did like a cross… what is the word because of it? What exactly is it if it is like numerous programs?

Christina:

Yeah. Cross… Cross… That thing. I understand what you’re stating. I can not consider the term. We’re able to bring our very own visitor in. I know they know the phrase.

Drew:

Okay. We are going to get into our very own major subject we can pull in our very own guest so her mind does not explode as she actually is attempting to reveal this phrase. Guest, want to introduce your self?

Heather:

Yes. Hello, this is Heather Hogan. I am an Autostraddle publisher and publisher. And usually when I hear this podcast, I perform along like it’s a casino game tv series whenever y’all are performing the video games. It had been quite difficult in my situation getting silent while this had been happening.

Christina:

I became like, this really is likely to be really enjoyable, but it’s additionally probably going to be so hard for me personally to achieve this and Heather you need to be hushed.

Heather:

Yeah. My favorite up until now might, “whom stated It: Drew or Sappho?”

Christina:

Thank you.

Heather:

And I also was actually certainly cheering like I became on

The Cost Is Right.

I became want, “Christina, no its Drew! It Is Drew! Its Drew! No, it’s Sappho!” Nevertheless did fantastic. You didn’t also need my personal assistance at this video game.

Christina:

Re-listening to that one, I happened to be love, well, damn I do know my friends slash I guess the written text of Sappho.

Heather:

You did really well.

Drew:

You crushed it. In addition went through… to ensure the video game worked, I tried it on several men and women. Many people who do know myself a lot better than you do, Christina, in addition they all cannot do it. And so I was actually very amazed by you.

Christina:

Seems like i am a winner, which is what matters.

Drew:

Heather, tell us exactly what that term is actually for our very own fanfiction.

Heather:

It’s just crossover.

Christina:

It really is a crossover, yeah!

Drew:

Crossover! Oh, okay. Okay. I imagined there seemed to be some elegant phrase because of it. But anyways, if someone else desires to write

Vida

fanfic that’s a crossover, it is another thing that I adore. I’d love to see more of it. So all of our primary topic recently is certainly not fanfic. Truly lasting relationships. Because, Heather, just how long are you presently inside existing commitment?

Heather:

I have been using my wife for 11 many years.

Drew:

Oh, that’s such a long time.

Christina:

Drew, have you ever completed everything regularly for 11 years? Because We definitely have not.

Drew:

No, not really gender. I’ven’t done anything. Just what have actually We {done|completed|acco